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   09-24-2006, 5:54 PM
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Kansas City gas prices are now at $1.95 to  $1.99. I did not think I  would never see gas under $2.00  a gallon 
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   09-24-2006, 6:58 PM
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Let's see, $2 per US gallon? That works out to about $0.60 Canadian per litre. In 21 years of driving motorcycles I have never seen prices that low.

But I remember back in the '70s paying less than $0.80 Canadan per real , imperial 160 oz. gallon to put in my moped that got 110 mpg!


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   09-24-2006, 7:11 PM
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Yeah, it sure is hard to figure.  When the price went over $3.00 all the "experts" on TV said it would only go higher. 

So what changed other than our expectations?  Did you ever think that you would think that $2.00 gas is a bargain?

What was the price when you started driving?   For me it was around 33 cents a gallon.  That would have been 1972.  None of had even heard of OPEC yet. 

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   09-24-2006, 7:55 PM
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As I said, I remember paying under $0.80 per gallon in the mid '70s. The next time I bought gas was when I got my first bike in '85, and I was shocked to learn that gas was selling for just under $0.80 per litre! That's a 455% increase in 10 years!

Prices gradually dropped to the low 60s over the next 10-15 years, then shot back up. They peaked at about $1.10 per litre - about $3.72 per gallon U.S. last year after hurricane Katrina and have been gradually coming back down since.

I'm pleased that gas costs about the same now as it did 21 years ago, but I would be really happy if it was more like the U.S. prices.


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   09-24-2006, 7:59 PM
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Wow...glad US gas is as low as it is then compared to Canada.  Its about $2.15 a gallon here today when I filled up.

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   09-25-2006, 4:45 AM
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Elections are coming up in November ... wait until next summer to see if it is real or just a ploy by the gas companies to keep the Republicans in power. Remember, gas was really cheap when Bush took office. I am betting on $4 per gallon next summer. How else can the gas companies keep their stock holders happy!!!
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   09-25-2006, 2:46 PM
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Is it really necesary to use this forum for a political soapbox, David?  You will get your chance to speak at the polls.  This is a Motorcycle forum.
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   09-25-2006, 5:26 PM
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Well Phil, this IS the off-topic forum and furthermore, you yourself do not seem to have any qualms about spamming members of the HTTA with your political diatribes..... even after having been specifically asked not to....  Does this mean that you have finally seen the light and that I will no longer be receiving your unwanted spam in my mailbox?
    
   09-26-2006, 4:03 AM
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   09-27-2006, 5:02 PM
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No, eh? Oh well, I guess hope springs eternal. Since you claim ignorance, how about the political diatribes that were forwarded to just about as many people as could be CCed in the address list?

Although it is changing somewhat due to commercial abuse, the meaning of spam is sending any unwanted, unsolicited email.

Carbon copying half the universe when forwarding a pet peeve to everyone you can think of compromises people's privacy as well as security (no kidding), and the issue may not be one of their hot buttons or even an item of interest to the recipient.... don't do it, particularly when you have already been asked not to. Just because someone gives out an email address for discussing motorcycle issues, it does not generally mean that carte blanche has been given for broadcasting trash.

 

 


    
   09-27-2006, 7:56 PM
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You are wasting your time telling Spamzilla about his email habits.
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   09-28-2006, 7:25 AM
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Hi,  You guy's are lucky, gas here in the Uk is currently £4.40 a gallon (4.54lts). I don't know  the exchange rates but guess thats getting near to $10 a gallon.
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   09-28-2006, 1:07 PM
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It would be interesting to see what the auto mfr's would build if we had to pay $10 a gallon. How much of the price is gov't taxes? If the taxes were that high here, the gov't could do away with the unconstitutional income tax(oops sorry, that slipped). That price of gas would change our whole way of life, suburbia, community planning, industrial/military complex, and boost alternative fuel initiatives. Steady on, full speed ahead. I'd rather have gas prices increase 3-4% a year allowing adjustments in our budgets, than to stay artificially low for several years and then make a drastic jump every time mother nature gets a wild hair, or some camel jockey get his jollies blowing something/someone up(oops slipped again). :-)
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   09-28-2006, 2:07 PM
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Regardless of why fuel prices rise, or fall.  Regardless of who is up for election, the simple fact remains that the motorcycle has traditionally been a form of transportation that can get one or two people from one place to another useing less fuel than most automobiles.  As the MPG/ 100km/l of small cars (especially diesels) climbs, I see an alarming trend from the motorcycle world of bigger and bigger bikes that go a shorter distance on each gallon/ lieter of gas (albiet 0-60 times are very fast).  Same as the average car or truck that has more power every year to haul more veicle evey year.   My point here is that as cyclists, we still choose to travel, yet in a way that we get further for our money.  Some distances must be traveled by motorized means, and most every cycle will do it more economically than almost every car.  (my car and my cx get the same MPG).  But normally, when we start the bike instead of the car we have less of an impact on the environment and our pocketbooks. 

I'm glad this is an international forum and that many different views are represented.


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   09-28-2006, 2:35 PM
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Whenever we think about the price of gasoline we should always remember that the original reason that it was used as motor fuel was that it was that those experimenting with internal combustion engines did not have big budgets and the refineries producing oil for lamps &c would practically pay you to take this dangerous & un-useable byproduct off their hands.
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   10-02-2006, 2:59 PM
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I have to agree with Brian.  It is amazing to me that your 3000 pound VW Jetta's with a 2.5 L 5 cyl. engine get 30 mpg on the highway, and my 670 pound 79 Custom (yes I am a fat rider) gets 50 mpg.  Pound for pound the car gets way better economy.  Then you add to that, just last week while at my Honda dealership, I was perusing the new inventory.  I sat on a new Yamaha V-Max.  The salesman came over and started talking about it.   Nice bike, but it gets mid 30's for mpg.  I'm sorry but that just makes no sense to me.  A motorcycle getting mid 30's..............
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   10-02-2006, 4:12 PM
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The V-Max plain and simple is built to make horsepower, not to get fuel economy.

 

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   10-03-2006, 9:38 AM
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Do a HP to weight ratio comparision and you'll see the reason for the difference.  Use a 125cc street bike and the comparision is a better match.
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   10-09-2006, 3:38 PM
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Yeah I agree that its sad to see all these bikes getting the same...or worse gas mileage than some of the new sub-compact cars out there.

**Pulls a soapbox out from under the desk at work and climbs up on it...

I've really gotten on the diesel bandwagon lately. In looking at the history of the technology it was originally designed to run off of peanut oil. The older diesels, especially the late 70's early 80s Mercedes' Diesels get around 30+ mpg and can run off of 100% vegetable oil! It requires some simple mods, a bit more complex if you live in a colder climate but overall the engine remains virtually untouched. So now we have a 20+ year old car that gets 30+mpg, doesn't use ANY crude oil (foreign or domestic), has whats known as neutral emisions (the CO2 emisions from vegetable oil are the same as the amount of CO2 that the plant from which it came absorbed when it was alive...therfore you are not adding or taking away from the amount of CO2 in the environment)...and if you're brave enough to do so, you can aquire the fuel completely free of charge. Restaurants, especially Chinese, must pay disposal companies to haul away used vegtable oil...and are happy to allow someone to come and pick it up for free. And guess what....you're recycling that oil as well.

So I guess my point to all of this is that this is a completely viable alternative to diesel....and something that could have begun a quarter decade ago. There a few shops popping up in the Los Angeles area that sell these cars (http://www.lovecraftbiofuels.com/) and in researching this new trend it is even possible to mix diesel and Veg oil in your tank to a specific ratio and run it safely without any modifications to your car/truck.

So I'll admit...I am 26, republican, and have a gas guzzling sports car ('04 RX8 which gets about 17 mpg) but with gas prices the way they are and everything else about global warming, etc I feel as though I am doing a real disservice to everyone. So the Veg oil Benz is in the works for me...I am hell bent on never paying for fuel again...well at least until Mobile swaps up the veg oil market.


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At the Springfield, VT High School Tech shop in the seventies, (Before the new Howard Dean tech Center was built) A shop teacher and his class developed a pickup truck that ran on hardwood smoke.  They actually had a woodstove in the bed that burned knots, (real slow) and made lots of smoke.  It was awful to get behind, whew, but the darned engine ran on it.  How, I don't know.  Think of all those wood shops that fingerjoint the knots out of their wood.
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More info on wood power:  http://freeweb.deltha.hu/zastava.in.hu/wood-gas.htm  
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