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Locked up


tntchitwood 06-21-2008, 12:01 PM
Well guys, looks like I am done for a while. After putting in the new cam and water pump........I got tags yesterday and took it for it's shake down run today. It was running the best it ever has, then started losing power and died. It restarted and ran maybe another hundred feet. It was making a slight tapping sound, barely noticable. The motor seized everything locked up (luckily I was quick on the clutch). Oh well in a few days when I can look at the bike without tearing up I will pull the motor and see what happened.
Tom
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LRCXed 06-21-2008, 5:37 PM
That sucks tntchitwood
Good luck.
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Panther 06-21-2008, 5:55 PM
Wow.

I hope it isn't to bad.



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Re: Locked up


BearCX 06-24-2008, 5:29 AM
slight tapping sound and locked up......Hmmm. Could be a spun bearing, blocks off the flow of oil. Just a thought, hope its not too serious, best of luck.
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tntchitwood 07-04-2008, 11:50 AM
OK guys, I need some opinions here. At first diagnosis the motor was locked up. It would not turn by the 17 mm bolt in the front of the engine, The engine was still hot. Two weeks later,I have drained the oil..no shavings of any kind (silver or gold). Removed the radiator.no oil and water mix. Backed off the valve adjusters all the way and tried the 17 mm bolt again......It turned! the only resistance was the compression.
Now......Could it have been when I changed the cam.....I screwed the valve adjuster in to where it just touched the top of the valve stem and snugged down the locking nut (improper adjustment I know). Then when the motor really started to warm up the parts expanded and applied too much pressure to the valve stem causing them to bind up, maybe hold the valves slightly open? what do you guys think? I am considering putting it back together (the motor is not out), adjusting the valves correctly and trying it again. What do you think about my theories of desperation?
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Pooterhead 07-04-2008, 1:09 PM
If you think that is what happened you might want to pull the heads and make sure the pistons didn't smack a valve.
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tntchitwood 07-04-2008, 4:44 PM
There was no ill sounds at all. A barely noticable tic. Nothing to indicate there was a problem. Surely I would have heard the piston hit something.
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LRCXed 07-04-2008, 5:23 PM
Iv'e been scratchin my brain with this one! The best starting point right now would be to do a compression test and see what you come up with since it turns over now. If you have 2 totally different readings on each side. Do it wet also with oil as well as dry and maybe back off the valve adjustments and do it again to see if it gets better or stays the same.
Have you checked the valve clearance after it died? What was it if you did?
Gold or brass in the oil might not show as quickly as you shut it down when it bogged down.
Does the oil light go off when your cranking it with the starter? IF you have an oil light?

Let us know what you come up with on that!
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tntchitwood 07-04-2008, 5:44 PM
I don't have an oil light. I just finished straining the oil through a t-shirt. There WAS a small amount of gold shavings. I do know that is not a good thing. Since it is unstuck I may stick it back together (put the carbs back on and set the valves). and try to start it. See what it sounds like. Because of the gold shavings should I go ahead and write this motor off? I can't afford a motor right now. It will have to wait till a later date. What do you guys think? Should I try to get this motor running again or shove it over in the corner for now?
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bfknova 07-04-2008, 6:29 PM

Aye Tom - sounds logical - as remember everyone thought I smacked a piston when my cam chain slipped - and maybe they did - but upon inspection with micrometer they were all within specs - albeit a lot of carbon build up on the valve heads - so after taking them out and cleaning and grinding the valves n' heads - the ol' girl purrs with just a very slight tap - but surely they tapped a little even when new ...... now, the one thing you mentioned is that it slowly lost power - which is puzzling - as mostly these things quit suddenly - with a bang ....... so digging back into my experience column - well I've only had a couple complete seizures - "Honda 750" and ol' "Jawa 450" ..... both of which were piston related ......

Anyway, keep me informed and I'll try my best to help where I can ... leastwise, with incouragement to carry on - as you got one really nice ride !!!!!! 

Cheers, n' Happy Trails Ahead,

Bryan


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LRCXed 07-04-2008, 8:02 PM
Even before doing the reassembly, I would do the compression test. You need to figure out WHY this happened in the first place. Some small detail may have been missed during the rebuild that caused the lack of oil flow (if thats what it was). Maybe an O-ring on the pump!
I would start takeing the thing apart AFTER a compression test. I have seen motors saved from the brink of disaster with a little polishing on a crank and a new set of bearings. Who knows, maybe the oil pump chain jumped. You don't want to end up doing MORE damage if you don't need to.
Do what you would do for someone else if they brought it to you to help them figure out the problem. Forget it's yours for a while! Open it up and go Backwards!
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bfknova 07-04-2008, 9:02 PM

My oil pump chain was very loose - and hate to say, but just maybe you forgot to tighten a bolt when replacing the oil pump - (it happens) - so re-trace your steps as surely think it's more likely something you've just worked on - speaking of which - I also forgot to tighten the oil drain bolt on my rebuild - but after seeing a small puddle of oil on the floor, at first thought a bad gasket seal, but followed it back and saw I had only hand tightened it ........ also had a leak in the o'ring line near the water pump - so took it apart again and saw it hadn't seated properly - so again, it happens mate - and just take your time and double check your work - which on the bright side, at least now you know the motor will turn ..... though always leave a little space on your tappets ........ otherwise, after my triple bypass rebuild - I'm gonna play the bike as new - and only ride real easy for at least 500 miles ..... along with changing the oil a couple times in between ........ so wish me luck - as I surely wanna get in a couple rides this summer ......

Cheers,

Bryan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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tntchitwood 07-05-2008, 8:17 AM
Bryan, I wish you all the luck in the world. With the care you have taken in rebuilding your motor I know it will do well. I will do a compression test sometime today and let you guys know the results. I have the valve covers off, while it is cranking for the compression test oil should squirt out the tops of the pushrods shouldn't it. That is something else I will look for while cranking.
Tom
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hakko808 07-05-2008, 8:29 AM
Did you strip off the temp gauge along with the oil light? To mee it sounds as if it overheated.

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bfknova 07-05-2008, 9:10 AM

Thanks Tom - I'm planning on taking my bike out tomorrow - as shortly I'm off to the casino with two women, so imagine I'll continue drinking and partying till the wee hours again (so best to walk) .... and personally I'm still thinking it's something you've recently worked on - oil pump or water pump issue ...... both of which are easily accessible ...... yet if it's the camshaft - well you know it's a bigger job yet doable ..... otherwise, I don't believe it's your pistons as then it would continue to seize the motor tight - albeit maybe your valves also need a checking ....... ah what fun it is eh !!!!! Just remember we're all rooting for you to succeed .....

Cheers, n' Happy Trails Ahead,

Bryan


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LRCXed 07-06-2008, 9:01 AM
Hows progress tntchitwood? Any good news yet?
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tntchitwood 07-06-2008, 10:07 AM
Yesterday my mother in law had plumbing problems, of course that had to be cured before I could work on the bike. So....this morning I did the compression check, both cylinders were even at 120 psi. Oil was pumping to the top of the heads. I believe it would have started if it would have had the carbs on it (I was preparing for engine removal). The valves were working up and down nicely, and with the plugs out the motor spun freely. The plugs looked good (chocolate milk colored), I expected them to be melted or smashed.
Now a couple of questions: has anybody ever heard of these motors "vapor locking"?
I was running straight water, it was the trial run and had not put the antifreeze in it yet, only straight water to check for leaks. If I had a leak I did not want to lose the antifreeze. Would this have made it overheat to the point of vapor locking? Is 120 psi ok on the compression test? I have missplaced my repair manual, I think I took it to work with me to study on during my breaks. Should I tear it on down and check the front of the engine, the oil pump chain, the water pump? What else should I look for?
Tom
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tntchitwood 07-06-2008, 10:43 AM
I just answered alot of my own questions. I was feeling froggy so I bolted the carbs back on, put the plugs back in and fired it up. Fired right up and ran great for about five seconds, then seizure again. It did not run long enough to warm up so that answers my questions about getting hot and vapor locking.I may have really done it now. Looks like it is motor tear down time again to see what is going on. What say ye all?
Tom
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LRCXed 07-06-2008, 12:54 PM
Yep, it's time to open it up. Take the front off an I think you'll find the ansers in there. I'll bet the crank and rods are damaged and gauling together.
120 psi sounds fine, I'll look it up later to let you know. You may want to pull a rod cap and see how the bearings look.
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bfknova 07-06-2008, 1:31 PM

Aye Tom, five seconds on a cold engine should not overheat (regardless of water or no liquids) - so must be something else - and believe you probably should think about tearing it down ........ speaking of which, I don't know if there's such a thing as overcleaning the engine - but my sparks seem to have found oil - hence: maybe thinking I could have cleaned the piston heads too much, or as most everything inside is new, it may take a few miles to start carboning up again ...... anyway, it's sounding sweet, n' seems to respond to my (albeit stationary) reving for 15 minutes at a time ....... as I want to slowly break in the new parts without any extreme loads ....... so overall, it's getting close to being "On the Road Again" ...... and truly want to encourage you to keep plugging away - and keep us informed on your progress ........ damn - it was such a nice day here - would've been great to check out the new styles of bikini's at the beach <grin> ...... oh, well, summer's just starting !!!!!

Cheers, n' Happy Trails Ahead,

Bryan


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LRCXed 07-06-2008, 2:48 PM
Well. I looked it up and all models from 78 to 82 say compression should be 171 PSI. I had a compression tester once that was giving me bad readings though. Make sure yours is giveing the right readings!

Did you back off the valve adjustment before you started it?

I still think you should back trace and pull the thing apart. Something is missing or missaligned keeping oil flow from getting where it needs to be flowing. Or there is a spacer missing in the system causeing it to bind up. Are you sure all the spacers and shimes etc... are in the proper places? Without haveing your manual for assembly referance, you might have missed something. Hopefully there was no parts left over or mixed up with the old ones that you missed putting back in!

Check this sight for parts break down by area of the motor for referance.
http://mrcycles.com/ Its for parts, but it gives you an exploded view for referance.

Good luck, hope the best is the out come.

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tntchitwood 07-06-2008, 3:16 PM
I had the manual when I put it back together, I just couldn't find it this morning. I reset the valves before the compression check and before restarting. I also retorqued the heads. I did not have any parts left over, (I usually do and think something is wrong if I don't. LOL! Maybe that is what is wrong...too many parts crammed in there). I guess in the evenings this week I will pull that motor and tear it back down. Today I had to shove it out of the way for a new front tire for the Shadow. I have to keep at least one bike going, But I like the GL better.
Tom

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LRCXed 07-06-2008, 4:09 PM
Good luck, keep us posted.
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tntchitwood 07-06-2008, 5:55 PM

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tntchitwood 07-07-2008, 5:26 PM
Well guys, here's where I am at.Pulled engine tonight, Rear cover, (nothing out of place), flywheel,cam,chain,(still locked).          Pulled front cover,again,everything looks OK. I can turn the cam without the chain on it, but the crank (17 MM bolt in front of engine) is still locked. Guess it is the crank/ rods. Tomarrow I will pull the heads and check the heads and cylinder walls.I have been removing one part at a time and checking to see if that frees anything up.Not so far.








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bfknova 07-07-2008, 6:04 PM

How's the flywheel bearing look ???? Just a suggestion - but why not clean it in "Seafoam" while you have it apart .... also the oil pump chain looks a little loose ??? - not much adjustment on them  ..... aye, I'm a perfectionist - but think it works better after a good cleaning ..... speaking of which, had mine out tonight for a little 10 mile run and worked pretty good, albeit still have a little fine tweeking to do on carbs - 

Cheers, n' keep us informed .....

Bryan 


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tntchitwood 07-07-2008, 6:37 PM
Glad you are back on the road. I am a firm believer that if you sit around waiting to die, that you don't have to wait long.
I went back downstairs and removed the oil pump. The chain had some slack in it, not enough to cause failure. The screen on the pick-up tube was almost totally clean (three or four tiny specs of crud). The bearing behind the fluwheel looked OK. The bearing behind the cog on the other end of the crank looked OK. Are these the only two bearings which support the crank in the block? The trans(?) shaft on the front of the motor, below and to the left of the crank turns very freely.Using the 17 MM bolt, I got the crank to turn again but can definately feel a catch in it some where. Tomarrow night I will remove the heads to look at the cylinders. After that I have gone as far as I am going to without finding my repair manual. If a total rebuild is required it will have to wait sometime, as my wife is very ill and cannot work anymore. I cannot afford it right now. I will continue the teardown and investigate this further. It may take years, but I vow this bike will run again.
Tom
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'02 750 Shadow

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RichNCT 07-07-2008, 7:19 PM
Twer me, I'd be keeping an eye out for another engine. Find one close enough to avoid shipping and it would cost you less in $$ and time. Sorry to hear you wife is not well.
Born to be relatively wild

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bfknova 07-07-2008, 7:21 PM

So sorry to hear about your wife's illness ..... n' totally understand priorities - so I'm hoping that it's just a small cheap part that broke and binding the system ...... hence: a bearing or pushrod (I have spares that may fit?) ...... otherwise, there's always a hard section to turn due to compression - so after you take off your lower heads - it should turn easier - as well as reveal the problem ....... otherwise, aye two bearings on the cam ......

Take care,

Bryan


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LRCXed 07-07-2008, 7:44 PM
A BIG LIGHT JUST WENT OFF IN MY HEAD!
How did you get the cam to turn with the valve train still in and putting pressure on the cam lobes?
You shouldn't be able to do that!


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tntchitwood 07-07-2008, 7:57 PM
With the chain and cam gear removed and the two bolts put back in partially, I used a screwdriver as a handle between the bolts and turned it. Not much mind you, but it did turn. With no cam chain on, it should not have been impossible to turn. Should it? Only the cam turned, not the crank. And the valves did go up and down. There was quite a bit of force from the valvesprings. I guess I am not following you LRCX, but by all means bounce a few ideas off me.
Tom
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LRCXed 07-07-2008, 9:07 PM
I was just picturing you doing it with your hand for some reason. What you did sounds fine. It just didn't sound right at first.
When you did the cam job, did you remove the heads as well? I have been going over the book and looking at an old motor block I have looking at all the passages for the oil. I keep thinking your crank and rods got starved for oil. This can happen a couple ways. Something is plugged in the oiling system, a piece of debris in a bearing hole missed while cleaning out the motor for reassemble, or, there is something letting all the oil pressure go to the top end not allowing oil pressure to build properly and starving the crank and rods for oil. That would have allowed the rod bearings to over heat and seize up.
If you took the heads off during the initial job, did you make sure the small oil restriction plugs were put back in. I'm not sure, but if they were gone it might be enough to allow to much oil to the top end.

Pull the oil pump out and look under the area behind it where the crank assembly is. You'll see an opening on the right side that will allow you to see the connecting rods as they turn. See if they are dark in color or turning blue. That would indicate the bearings are getting hot due to not enough oil. After you pull the heads off tomorrow, depending on what you find there, you should be able to remove one of the bearing caps. Make sure you when you pull it off that you make a mental note which position it came off.

One more idea, did the old and new cams match all their diameters the same? Was there anything different about them?
See how it turns tomorrow after the heads are off and check for plugged oil passages!
Still scratchin.....

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tntchitwood 07-08-2008, 3:25 AM

I did not remove the heads. I only did a visual inspection of the cam that was installed. I will investigate further tonight.

Tom


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tntchitwood 07-08-2008, 4:18 PM
Tonight I removed the heads, and the plate behind the timing chain which houses the front crank bearing. Everything looked alright. STILL CANNOT TURN CRANK. It is going to take a little doing to release the rods from the crank. Seeing that the rods are the only thing attached to the crank right now and it will not turn, it has to be the rod bearings. I believe I am going to start keeping my eyes open for another motor or parts bike. I don't know, maybe it did not destroy the crank. Oh yea! I found my manual. Covered with "stuff" on the work bench.
Tom
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tntchitwood 07-08-2008, 5:54 PM
Finally removed the rods and pistons. The rod bearings were BAAAAD, ruining the crank and rods. It's what we call around here in Pine Knot, a spun bearing. I still don't know what caused the oil starvation in the first place. I can't believe it never knocked. Like I said before, I am going to look around for another motor. Maybe I can score one in a trade or something as I am broke right now and will be for a while. I have had this bike for 15 years and I have said many times I will own it when I die. (Every time I rode it somebody tried to buy it).
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Natrik 07-08-2008, 8:41 PM
I sure hope you can find another motor in your price range. I know a lot of people get rid of "projects" and stuff cheap at the beginning and the end of riding season, you may have to be patient. Bikes with as much personality and hard work as yours need to keep riding. It doesn't sound like you are ready to give up, so hopefully something will float your way soon. I'll keep my eye out on the bay, and who knows, you might find something on craigslist within reasonable driving time from Pine Knot...
Hang in there, Tom! You'll have it back on the road soon....

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2005 Honda VTX 1800 Retro, customization in progress

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LRCXed 07-08-2008, 8:43 PM
Hay Tom, sorry man! I'll keep my eyes open for you on a good deal OK! A short block would do won't it?
Take care man and I hope your wife gets well.

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dean 07-08-2008, 8:56 PM
i know you're broke and not looking right now but... what engine are you looking for and what would be the magical price for your right now?  maybe we could be on the look out for you.

83 Gl650I

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BearCX 07-09-2008, 1:56 AM
Sorry to hear it's serious, like I suggested in the earlier post, spun bearings are a common fault in CX with a hundred K or miles, Unfortunately. Hope you can recover soon. best wishes.
If you're still in control...You're not going fast enough.

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tntchitwood 07-09-2008, 3:22 AM

Thanks for all the good wishes. I feel confident I will find something. Yea you called it Bear, I guess Bob is NOT my uncle.(grin)

Tom


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Natrik 07-09-2008, 9:07 AM
Maybe now you have an excuse to put a 650 in your chopper when you find the means

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LRCXed 07-09-2008, 12:01 PM
Hay Tom, I found a motor for you on the bay that's only 2 States away from you. Contact the guy to see how much it would be if it gets shipped to you. My self and one other guy here is willing to contribute to the cause to help out. Email me your paypal address and we will get this rolling to get you back on the road. Best wishes to you and your wife. item # is in your email
Larry

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tntchitwood 07-09-2008, 5:22 PM
Larry, That is awesome and I appreciate this soooo much, but, I am a southern gentleman and a proud SOB. I'll get it took care of. I believe in giving a hand to those in need, but I also believe people appreciate what they have more when they have earned it. Again, a thousand times thank-you, but I'll take care of it. I am going saturday to a salvage yard to see what they have. Now stop it before you make me tear up (again). Thank-you, Tom
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bfknova 07-09-2008, 6:15 PM

Hey Tom, What year and model is your motor ?  Also what all do you need to bring it back to life ???? 

Cheers, with Happy Trails Ahead,

Bryan


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tntchitwood 07-09-2008, 6:40 PM
I am going to see what I can find at the salvage yard on Saturday. I'll keep you posted. The old girl is just "in a coma", she'll never die.
Thanks Bryan, Tom
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dean 07-09-2008, 7:35 PM
 tntchitwood wrote:
Larry, That is awesome and I appreciate this soooo much, but, I am a southern gentleman and a proud SOB. I'll get it took care of. I believe in giving a hand to those in need, but I also believe people appreciate what they have more when they have earned it. Again, a thousand times thank-you, but I'll take care of it. I am going saturday to a salvage yard to see what they have. Now stop it before you make me tear up (again). Thank-you, Tom


tom,
i agree with you.  i do believe that people appreciate things and take more care of them when they have worked for them.  teenagers generally don't take care of a car that is given to them as much as one that they worked for.  people renting a house don't take care of it like the person who owns it.  i wish more people had a desire to work for things and take pride in their accomplishments.  so on that i say, if you are able to get an engine on your own and get it working then by all means do that.

but, i'm sure you've heard or read "it's more blessed to give than to receive."  the problem of never accepting a gift is you rob someone of their blessing.  i had to be tought this a few years ago.  i always wanted to help others but never wanted to accept help.  i thought i should take care of myself.  but someone pointed this out to me and asked how i felt when i was able to help someone.  then asked how it would feel to have all that joy taken away because no one would accept the gifts.  for me i realized i'm giving someone a blessing by letting them help me when i need it.

so, if you can do it yourself, have at it and enjoy.  but if you're not able to, don't rob people of the greatest gift you can give them - the blessing of giving.

keep us posted and let us know how it goes.

83 Gl650I

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LRCXed 07-09-2008, 7:42 PM
Well Tom, It's not often any of us now days gets any one to offer help! And I appreciate your pride and honor. I'll respect it!
But as brief as it might be, you have at least EARNED the friends on this forum! Here, take this handkerchief, looks like you need it.
Really though, if there's anything I can do to help, let me know OK!
Larry

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Re: Locked up


tntchitwood 07-10-2008, 2:51 AM
Thanks guys, I'll never forget this.It will be OK, I have my Shadow to ride until I get this one up and going. Yesterday morning it was pouring the rain and I drove the wifes minivan. Nice van, but man what a gas hog. LOL
Tom
'82 Silverwing Chopper
'02 750 Shadow

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Re: Locked up


bfknova 07-10-2008, 7:06 AM

I'm still a bit in the dark Tom ....... what do you figure you need to fix your engine ..... pistons, rods, & crank (anything else) OR do you really think you need another motor ??? 

As for gas - well I never dreamed filling my little tank would ever cost $15. - but it happened .... ($1.45 / litre) ...

Cheers, n' keep us informed .....

Bryan


Keep the rubber side down and alway shake a bro's hand when passing or standing still - EH !!

Re: Locked up


tntchitwood 07-10-2008, 10:54 AM

Bryan,

   The motor is totally shot. It would have to be totally rebuilt. New crank, rods, pistons, bearings, timing chain, oil pump,oil pump chain..................... and all the associated gaskets, along with the necessary machine work (heads, valves, bored etc). I think a low mileage motor, needing freshened up is the way to go. By the way, I never noticed it before, but there is no washer or spring in my oil filter housing. Don't remember there ever being one there. Did not know until recently read on this forum that there was supposed to be one.hmmmm, interesting.

Tom


'82 Silverwing Chopper
'02 750 Shadow

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