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Any ideas on a fuel gauge?


bobttroll 07-11-2008, 7:27 PM
Any ideas on a fuel gauge besides attaching a tube to the top and bottom of the tank?

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Blindstitch2002 07-11-2008, 8:47 PM
I asked this question before and for the most part it is labor intense. Suggestions were to find a bike that had one and figure out how to wire it and put the sending unit in the tank.

Most popular solutions were to use the trip meter to monitor the mileage. The bike should be able to drive 120 ish miles and still have some gas to get to the station.

I have been thinking about getting a litre camping fuel cannister and keeping it in my saddle bags so incase I run out I have a bit more.

My trip meter is broken on the odometer so I try to fill up the tank every time it hits 00 then I know I went 100 miles when it reaches 00 again.

1978 Honda Cx500 Maggot
1979 Honda Cx500 Custom
1980 Honda Cx500 Deluxe Couch Project Bike

CX500 Factory Service Manual
Courtesy of Randall-in-Mpls

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bobttroll 07-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Good idea. I wish there was an easy solution though.

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CXSarnia 07-12-2008, 2:48 AM
Saw a picture of a guy recently.  He used the old faithful bic lighter to check the fuel level.  He doesn't have eyebrows now.
1979 CX500 Deluxe Newest ride in the fleet
1982 CB750K Daily rider September 1999
1982 CX500 Custom - project Originally bought April 1982 reacquired April 2006

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PWG in Lowgap NC 07-12-2008, 3:18 AM

"Good idea. I wish there was an easy solution though."

Reset your trip odometer to zero every time you fill up


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Reg in Bristol 07-12-2008, 4:09 AM
I have been thinking about getting a litre camping fuel cannister and keeping it in my saddle bags so incase I run out I have a bit more.

My trip meter is broken on the odometer so I try to fill up the tank every time it hits 00 then I know I went 100 miles when it reaches 00 again.

Some good ideas there,
a litre should get you about 11 miles
Filling every hundred is a neat way of keeping topped up when the trip meter is broken too


At last ! I got off me ass and built it

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bobttroll 07-12-2008, 5:37 AM
didn't the cx650 turbo have a fuel guage? I guess one could take the parts from that and make it work on a cx650c.

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tntchitwood 07-13-2008, 5:56 AM
Slightly off subject, but...........I saw a radiator cap at advanced auto parts that had a temp gage in the cap. When I get mine going again I'll have one. About 30.00.
Tom
'82 Silverwing Chopper
'02 750 Shadow

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Blindstitch2002 07-13-2008, 10:43 AM
When you get the new cap your going to have to fill us in on how well it works.

1978 Honda Cx500 Maggot
1979 Honda Cx500 Custom
1980 Honda Cx500 Deluxe Couch Project Bike

CX500 Factory Service Manual
Courtesy of Randall-in-Mpls

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tntchitwood 07-13-2008, 4:46 PM
After I get a motor. (LOL) Then I'll get the cap.
'82 Silverwing Chopper
'02 750 Shadow

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Kilroy 07-14-2008, 11:01 AM
Both Turbos had gauges but the tanks are way differant you would need to realy mod the std tank to make it work.
Yes sir. I know I just ruined your weekend, but I'm not the one who blew up their bike Thursday night at the Burnout contest! Have a nice day!

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Sidecar Bob 07-20-2008, 5:08 PM

The first winter I had my GL500 the trip meter was broken. Every time I filed up I got a cash slip, wrote the odometer reading on it and kept it in the pocket of my jacket so I could check how far I had gone since the last fil up. It was a pain so the first chance I got I took the speedo apart and swapped in a trip meter from a dead GL1000 speedo. It worked fine after that.


GX650EI + Velorex 700 (winter), '83 GL1000 (summer)
'84 CB750SC Nighthawk (died - anyone need parts?)

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Hughes 07-21-2008, 10:22 AM
Wait a minute.

A simple "T" fitting aft of the petcock would work to make a simple site glass sort of set up. Where a fuel rated clear tubing would connect to the "T" fitting. The weight of the gas would fill up the tubing. Figuring out where to attach the tubing near the top would be an issue, and a vent on the other end of the tubing to eliminate pressure build up. That would work, eh?

And if there was any issue, simply turning off the petcock and taking out the "T" would solve the issue.

1979 CX 500 Custom

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BearCX 07-21-2008, 5:01 PM
Thanks for your input, but in Bobttroll first post, he mentioned this.

But keep the ideas comin'...
If you're still in control...You're not going fast enough.

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bri-guy-ga 08-01-2008, 11:05 AM
I have seen gas jugs that have fuel gauges in them. Couldn't you adapt the fuel gauge and spiral bar into either the tank itself of the cap?
1982 GL500i

NO, try not. Do or do not do. There is no try - Yoda

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Kilroy 08-01-2008, 12:50 PM
not really the tank is not deep enough for that, you need a fuel float on some sort of an arm
Yes sir. I know I just ruined your weekend, but I'm not the one who blew up their bike Thursday night at the Burnout contest! Have a nice day!

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gregoryjewell 08-07-2008, 10:34 AM
i think this would work pretty good and not to hard to do


79 cx500 custom (sonofabitch)
any day there not shoveling dirt on your face is a good one

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Natrik 08-07-2008, 11:08 AM
That wouldn't be too bad until it gets knocked off or breaks, then you're out of gas and SOL...

If it wasn't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable.....

1980 CX500 Custom, Hondian (found someone new)
2005 Honda VTX 1800 Retro, customization in progress

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bobttroll 08-07-2008, 11:46 AM
Great on a show bike or something that you don't ride all the time. I live in chicago. I am sure some dumb kid would pull it off just for fun. It does look cool though.

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gregoryjewell 08-07-2008, 2:37 PM
i think you would have to use some kind of plastic bottle and make a clamp type braket to go around it to secure it to the tank but i really think it would work pretty well but it wouldnt hurt to carry a spare bottle just in case

79 cx500 custom (sonofabitch)
any day there not shoveling dirt on your face is a good one

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Anonymous 08-07-2008, 3:59 PM

Personally, I think it looks dumb & amateurish. And I won't even mention the obvious safety issues.

If you want to use a bottle like that for a sight glass, fine. But make a proper fitting instead of a pipe fitting a piece of rubber and band clamps. The bottle & the pipe fitting aren't even straight to each other and there is no other support for the bottle. If that thing shakes like most custom Harleys the bottle is likely to fall of if it was ever driven on the road. And what's the tube coming out the bottom of the bottle (the end that points up) and running back under the tank? If it's the vent (necessary on a sight glass) shouldn't it go back to the top of the tank? 

A real craftsman would have made something that the threaded neck of the bottle would screw into with a gasket to seal it and a bracket to support the other end with a tube back to the top of the tank built into it.

But then, you can tell that bike isn't intended for use on the road. No-one would put a big metal hook like that right in front of  their knee. Can you imagine what that could do if the car in front stopped short & the bike rear ended it?

A quick & easy way to accomplish the same thing would be to put a T fitting in the fuel line right below the petcock and run a rubber fuel line up beside the left frame tube to an elbow near the wide part of the tank, then run a piece of clear tubing from there to the top of the tank. It would be fairly easy to make something that would plug into the vent tube hole of a fuel cap from a modern bike for the other end of the tube. Simple and elegant - all you would see is a clear tube running from under the tank to the fuel cap.

But then again, using the trip odometer is even more elegant.

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Blindstitch2002 08-07-2008, 6:18 PM
I think it works fine for what it's ment to do. They did skimp on the quality by using the hose. No I wouldn't use it but who cares. It's their bike and they can walk to the gas station after they break the glass or repaint the tank after the the glass chips the hell out of it.

1978 Honda Cx500 Maggot
1979 Honda Cx500 Custom
1980 Honda Cx500 Deluxe Couch Project Bike

CX500 Factory Service Manual
Courtesy of Randall-in-Mpls

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mcreviver 08-07-2008, 7:47 PM
I remember some Piper Lance and Saratoga aircraft that had a pair of tanks on each wing. There was a small (about 1" diameter) magnetic fuel gauge on the inboard tanks. It had some kind of mechanism inside the tank that drove it. You only had one filler cap on each wing so you had to know when the inner tank was full. Fuel had to run downhill to the inboard tank and if you filled the outer one fast enough, you might think the inner one was full when it was in fact, still transfering through the connector tube.
Ron in PA

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malcoops 08-07-2008, 7:52 PM
couldn't we just take the sender from a 500 euro/650 tank and then use the gauge from either a euro/turbo/gl,it should be a peace of p..s
mal from Down under

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Sidecar Bob 08-07-2008, 9:05 PM

My sidecar machine has it's original CX650E dash (with fuel gauge) and a GL500 tank (no sender). It has always bothered me a bit that I have a non-working gauge on my dash. I briefly contemplated cutting a hole in the 500 tank, flattening the area around it to suit the sender and modifying the 650E sender so it doesn't hit the inside of the GL500 tank & hang up, but that sounds like a lot of work. I have also toyed with the idea of modifying the 650E tank so that it will fit over the cowl stay that supports the Interstate fairing, but that would involve a lot of cutting, welding and filling.

It's a lot easier to just reset my trip meter when I fill up and have the same result. Heck, the fuel gauge on the GoldWing works perfectly and I still reset the trip meter when I fill it and Kay does the same thing in her car.

The 650's tach & the speedo both squeal when it is damp or really cold. I have tried all the things that have worked for others on these forums and they just start to squeal again in a few days. I am going to fix it by building a new dash with a better (I hope) set of gauges that I got at Cycle Salvage yesterday. The new dash will have a speedo, tach, temp gauge and idiot lights.

If it doesn't have a fuel gauge to bother me I will stop thinking silly thoughts about making the gauge work.


GX650EI + Velorex 700 (winter), '83 GL1000 (summer)
'84 CB750SC Nighthawk (died - anyone need parts?)

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trev_h 08-09-2008, 1:18 PM

Hi Bob,

             If you could see how accurate the CX650E fuel gauge is , it would never really bug you when it broke. Many UK owners have tried to make these gauges more accurate but most have come to the conclusion that the trip meter method is safer.


cx 650/500c special, 78 500z, 86 cx 400

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Sidecar Bob 08-09-2008, 4:22 PM

Ah, but my gauge isn't actually broken. There just isn't a sender in the tank I am using.

I have heard a lot over the years about the inaccuracy of Honda fuel gauges, but the ones I have had were all perfectly consistant. In each case when the tank was full the needle was well past the top of the scale and it didn't fall back to the top of the scale for quite a distance (something like 65 Km on my '83 GoldWing), but that doesn't really matter. What matters for a fuel gauge is that it tells you when you are going to run out. On my '83 GoldWing's gauge, for example, the needle is over the tiny space between the red line and the white line when the engine sputters and I have to switch to reserve. The remainder of the needle's travel is, from what I can tell, a pretty linear representation of how much fuel is left in the tank. It has been like that for the entire time I have had it on the road. You can't ask for much better than that.

But, out of habit, I still reset the trip meter every time I fill up.

BTW: I goofed above: The new dash will have speedo, tach, temp gauge, voltmeter and idiot lights.

I think I will get an Equus automotive temp gauge to go with my Equus voltmeter and the idiot lights will probably be LEDs because it will be easier to build a suitable panel for them.


GX650EI + Velorex 700 (winter), '83 GL1000 (summer)
'84 CB750SC Nighthawk (died - anyone need parts?)

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senile_seinen 08-27-2008, 7:05 AM
The gauge on my 85 1100 Shadow was consistent and predictable.  Somehow it even responded a little when the upper tank was being used.  Once you got down near the red stripe indicating the bottom of the lower tank, you really were due to stop for fuel.  Total capacity was a little over 4 US gal.


1981 CX500 Custom

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bri-guy-ga 08-27-2008, 8:43 AM
What about those peel and stick gauge things they sell for propane tanks? That works more on temperature differences doesn't it?
1982 GL500i

NO, try not. Do or do not do. There is no try - Yoda

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Blindstitch2002 08-27-2008, 9:08 AM
Thought someone mentioned that above but didn't try it. Give it a try and fill us in.

1978 Honda Cx500 Maggot
1979 Honda Cx500 Custom
1980 Honda Cx500 Deluxe Couch Project Bike

CX500 Factory Service Manual
Courtesy of Randall-in-Mpls

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gregoryjewell 09-01-2008, 12:57 AM
im pretty sure it would work but i do believe you have to pour hot water over it to get it to read might be a real pain carring around hot water to check fuel levels

79 cx500 custom (sonofabitch)
any day there not shoveling dirt on your face is a good one

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sdrake 09-02-2008, 7:50 AM
well ive got an idea but its not a fuel gauge its a low level light.

while around the house the other day i noticed that those little household waterfall have a low level sensor in them that shuts the pump off after it gets so low.

so i started thinking if i could take this sensor out, mount in fuel tank and wire it to trip a led light to indicate low gas level.

i dont see why it wouldnt work. just a thought i had

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Blindstitch2002 09-02-2008, 8:49 AM
Sounds like it would work if you could get the parts. If you had 3 of them then you could mount one at 3/4, 1/2, and 1/4 tank. Depending on how big and complicated they are.

1978 Honda Cx500 Maggot
1979 Honda Cx500 Custom
1980 Honda Cx500 Deluxe Couch Project Bike

CX500 Factory Service Manual
Courtesy of Randall-in-Mpls

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gamache 09-02-2008, 9:36 AM
 sdrake wrote:
well ive got an idea but its not a fuel gauge its a low level light. while around the house the other day i noticed that those little household waterfall have a low level sensor in them that shuts the pump off after it gets so low. so i started thinking if i could take this sensor out, mount in fuel tank and wire it to trip a led light to indicate low gas level. i dont see why it wouldnt work. just a thought i had


Be very, very, very careful that those sensors do not and cannot generate sparks!  Lots of electric components do.  Even collecting static electricity is enough, when it's in a closed can full of gas/air mixture, conveniently located to frag you from scalp to nuts.

Pete from Boston
1979 CX500 Custom
WTB: Deluxe tank, engine bars.

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sdrake 09-02-2008, 10:18 AM
well i would think that if they created a spark why would they be in water? wouldnt that cause electric shock or even danger to the house.

ill investigate more tonight. and rip one apart. shes got tons

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gregoryjewell 09-02-2008, 10:49 AM
thats great at least im not the only one who is good about getting the wife all rilled up lol

79 cx500 custom (sonofabitch)
any day there not shoveling dirt on your face is a good one

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sdrake 09-02-2008, 12:49 PM
i get her upset just by breathing, so everything else is just icing on the cake

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gamache 09-02-2008, 1:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>sdrake wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">well i would think that if they created a spark why would they be in water? wouldnt that cause electric shock or even danger to the house.

ill investigate more tonight. and rip one apart. shes got tons</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

you might be right, there might be no danger, but you gotta be sure. basically any make-or-break connection has the potential to spark. an oscilloscope look at the first few milliseconds of a switch opening or closing will tell you -- there is NEVER a clear on-off transition with a mechanical switch, there's a burst of noise at the transition.

most modern gas gauges that I know of use two systems: either a float which moves a wiper on a potentiometer, or a capacitive system which recognizes the dielectric difference between air and gasoline (and, notably, water). Neither of these systems puts a mechanical contact in the tank. The float system puts its electrics out of the tank, and the capacitive system isn't prone to sparking.

best of luck and happy hacking, but keep safe! gasoline vapor in a can right next to your torso ain't nothing to fuck with.
Pete from Boston
1979 CX500 Custom
WTB: Deluxe tank, engine bars.

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gregoryjewell 09-02-2008, 4:00 PM
wow our wives must be related lmfao

79 cx500 custom (sonofabitch)
any day there not shoveling dirt on your face is a good one

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Sidecar Bob 09-02-2008, 4:11 PM

I still say it's easier to just use the trip meter.

It's more reliable than any gauge and it's already on the bike.

BTW: A low voltage spark under water wouldn't hurt anything, but under gasoline.........


GX650EI + Velorex 700 (winter), '83 GL1000 (summer)
'84 CB750SC Nighthawk (died - anyone need parts?)
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